A former adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday evening that Rudy Giuliani‘s “attempt at a quid pro quo” during a 2019 phone call threatened Ukraine’s national security.
The adviser, Igor Novikov, told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on “Prime Time” that during a July 2019 phone call, Giuliani, former President Donald Trump’s onetime personal lawyer, “was asking for investigations and public statements and many other things” from the Ukrainian government that would’ve harmed then-presidential candidate Joe Biden.
“And in return, towards the end of the conversation he mentions that that would make it possible for him to go and speak with President Trump to solve the problem that he admits to kind of putting in President Trump’s head,” he said.
“That’s pretty much the gist of the conversation,” Novikov continued. “And to kind of assess the level to which he threatened the national security, let me remind you, we’re a country fighting an active war with Russia for many years. So anything to do with swapping favors within our bilateral relationship in exchange for trying to get us involved in US domestic politics is just wrong on many levels, morally, ethically and probably even legally.”
CNN has reached out to representatives of Giuliani for comment.
Novikov’s comments largely echo the findings of the Democrat-run impeachment inquiry in 2019, which exposed a pressure campaign with Ukraine and Trump’s role in the attempted quid pro quo.
Giuliani’s contact with Ukrainian officials drew renewed interest late last month, when federal agents executed search warrants at his Manhattan apartment and office.
An attorney for Giuliani, Robert Costello, said the warrant sought communications with approximately a dozen Ukrainians and Americans. It also sought communications with any government officials or federal employees related to former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, who had been repeatedly maligned by both Giuliani and Trump.
Novikov said Wednesday that while he “didn’t have the pleasure” of meeting Yovanovitch, “from what I’ve heard from people who worked with her and knew her, it was a definite loss for Ukraine and for our bilateral relationship” when she exited her post.
Asked by Cuomo why he had chosen to speak out now, Novikov said he has the ability to speak candidly now that he’s no longer a Ukrainian government official.
“We did nothing to displease Mr. Giuliani. And that still happened to us. Could you imagine what would have happened to my country if we pushed back before the election was over?”